The Talmudic Jews Again: "Nuke Iran", They Prey To Their Talmudic God.

Toronto Sun columnist, Coren says: We should nuke Iran.

Wall St. Journal, Thomas Friedman agrees

The Talmudic mentality often leads those infected with it to gruesome public advocacy of pain and destruction for non-Judaic civilians who commit the "crime" of obstructing either Zionism (Arabs and Iranians), or NATO's New World Order (Serbs and other Orthodox Christians).

In brief, Iran was known internationally as Persia. Both "Persia" and "Iran" are used interchangeably in cultural context; however, Iran is the name used officially in political context. The name Iran is a cognate of Aryan, and means "Land of the Aryans.

Iran is the 18th largest country in the world in terms of area at 1,648,195 km², Iran has a population of over seventy million. It is a country of special geostrategic significance due to its central location in Eurasia. Iran is bordered on the north by Armenia, Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan. As Iran is a littoral state of the Caspian Sea, which is an inland sea and condominium, Kazakhstan and Russia are also Iran's direct neighbors to the north. Iran is bordered on the east by Afghanistan and Pakistan, on the south by the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman, on the west by Iraq, and on the northwest by Turkey. Tehran is the capital, the country's largest city and the political, cultural, commercial, and industrial center of the nation. Iran is a regional power, and holds an important position in international energy security and world economy as a result of its large reserves of petroleum and natural gas.
Iran is home to one of the world's oldest continuous major civilizations, with historical and urban settlements dating back to 7000 BC. The first Iranian dynasty formed during the Elamite kingdom in 2800 BC. The Iranian Medes unified Iran into an empire in 625 BC. They were succeeded by three Iranian Empires, the Achaemenids, Parthians and Sassanids, which governed Iran for more than 1000 years. Iranian post-Islamic dynasties and empires expanded the Persian language and culture throughout the Iranian plateau. Early Iranian dynasties which re-asserted Iranian independence included the Tahirids, Saffarids, Samanids and Buyids. The blossoming of Persian literature, philosophy, medicine, astronomy, mathematics and art became major elements of Muslim civilization and started with the Saffarids and Samanids.

Iran was once again reunified as an independent state in 1501 by the Safavid dynasty—who promoted Twelver Shi'a Islam as the official religion of their empire, marking one of the most important turning points in the history of Islam. "Persia's Constitutional Revolution" established the nation's first parliament in 1906, within a constitutional monarchy. Iran officially became an Islamic republic on 1 April 1979, following the Iranian Revolution.

Iran is a founding member of the UN, NAM, OIC and OPEC. The political system of Iran, based on the 1979 Constitution, comprises several intricately connected governing bodies. The highest state authority is the Supreme Leader. Shia Islam is the official religion and Persian is the official language.

To elaborate, Iran history can be divided into 4 stages as follows: 1. Old Persian, 2. Middle Persian, 3. New Persian, and which is divided into, 3.1 Early New Persian, 3.2 Classic Persian, 3.3 Use in the Indian, subcontinent, and 3.4 Contemporary Persian.
Guided by the above mentioned categorized stages, the reader can search for the related information. However, one must acknowledge that Iran aka Persia is one of the most oldest civilization that passed through many stages of changes along with all pain and termoils insuing therefrom.

It is also worth mentioning that due to the importance of the stratigic geo-location of Iran as well as the country's rich recource of the black gold (petrolume), Iran was a subject of American interest which showed itself in the American support to the most corrupt regime; the ruling of the shah, Mohammad Reza Bahlavi, during the cold war.

Imperialistic America - as always masked and unmasked imperialism is - shortsightedly support their puppets paying no heed to the ruled nation. Moreover the American support as caprecious and shortsighted as it is, always blindly shift based on the ground that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"; a stupid rule if the american thump which demonistrated itself in their support to Iraq against Iran, and then again turning later against the Iraqi regime.

Iran, as far as ancient history is concerned, occupied ancient Egypt towice. Shiism invaded Egypt during the Fatimi dynasty. Al-Hakim Be-Amrillah Al-Fatimi was the worst ruler at the time. Born from a Muslim father and a Jewish, he was considered by the Egyptian to be insane as he started issuing certain orders of utter nonsense like: No one is allowed to eat molokhyya (food liked by Egyptians), no one is allowed to eat fish that has no scales (which shows how influenced by his Jewish mother he was - such fish is not kosher for the Jews), and so on.

Moreover, there is a conflict going on in the Middle east between the Sunni extremists and Shii extremist, as the Shii  Islam has a few things totally rejected by the Sunnis like "temporary marriage contract", which is actually forbidden by the 4  Sunni mazhab of Islam (Fikh or religious law) which stems from the Salafi Aqeedah: Shafi, Malki, Hanbali and  Hanifi. Zawaj Al-Mut'ah "temporary marriage contract" is basically a convenience contract that can be easily abused. A man can marry a woman with the intention that the marriage contract is temporary and they can have a divorce at any point of time. This concept is absolutely rejected in Islam as the ground on which marriage is based is "marriage contract is built on eternity". Thus, the intention for marriage is to last for ever unless issues arise and based on the legitmacy of the those issues, a divorce may be obtained. The Shii way opens the door for irrisponsibility, Increas in divorce, and sham marriages which are intended for a temporary pleasure.

In fact, I opt to the Sunni definition of marriage.

In a nutshell, the shiis in the Mid East are a minority living amongst a majority of Sunni Muslims, and based on the little differences between the Shiis and and the Sunnis, though they all believe in the basics of Islam which are the Islamic Five Pillars that define any Muslim to be called a Muslim.

History of Shia, in fact, tells us the Shia emerged being based on a political stance during the rule of the fourth Caliph, Ali, - those who supported Ali were called Shia as the arbic word means "supporters" - other than religious or otherwise.
Both extrimist Sunnis and America can't ignore the ancient Persian history when once it was a great empire. Sunni Muslim would not appreciate any spreading of Shiite Islam in the area. America would not appreciate the rise of  an Islamic empire be it Sunni or Shiite. It is as simple as that.

Thomas Friedman of the New York Times shares Coren's monstrous advocacy of pain and destruction for the "unchosen." Both are columnists in good standing with major "progressive-humanitarian" newspapers who see fit to lecture Muslims on their "barbarity." Mr. Friedman is considered by many in the American intelligentsia to be a sage.

We follow up Coren's cold-blooded warrant for genocide with one from Neocon godfather Norman Podhoretz. The religious component is made plain by the blood-thirsty Podhoretz, whose like-minded son John was President Ronald Reagan's speech-writer. Podhoretz declares that he "prays" that the president will bomb Iran.

Praying for war? Is this what Judaic supremacy has come to for our once peace-oriented nation? The god of the Talmud wants Iran's families incinerated. America must obey. Podhoretz' ghastly plan was published not in some obscure bulletin of militant Orthodox rabbis, but in The Wall Street Journal (which may, after all, amount to the same thing). We hear and see so much about "The Holocaust" from these very same people. It is shoved down our throats on the pretext of preventing another holocaust anywhere in the world. Yet here are these same Holocaust-cultists advocating holocausts against marginalized peoples. Irony is too tepid a word to describe their murderous insanity.

Both Coren's column and Podhoretz's essay are sufficiently appalling and self-indicting as to require no rebuttal from thinking persons who should be able to grasp the savagery of their ideology and see through the fallacies of their arguments without much difficulty.

We Should Nuke Iran

Toronto Sun

Saturday, September 2, 2006

By Michael Coren

It is surely obvious now to anybody with even a basic understanding of history, politics and the nature of fascism that something revolutionary has to be done within months -- if not weeks -- if we are to preserve world peace.

"if we are to preserve world peace.". Ya, the Zionist SOB want to save the world. Save it from what?...from the ancient Jwish plotting to dominate the world???!!! What is he afraid of by saying "basic understanding of history"?...a rise of Islamic or persian empire! it is not going to happen. Or is he  just protecting the Zionist state of Israel?
Put boldly and simply, we have to drop a nuclear bomb on Iran. Not, of course, the unleashing of full-scale thermo-nuclear war on the Persian people, but a limited and tactical use of nuclear weapons to destroy Iran's military facilities and its potential nuclear arsenal. It is, sadly, the only response that this repugnant and acutely dangerous political entity will understand.

WOW, how mericiful he is!...Just limited and tactical use of nuclear weapons to destroy Iran's military facilities and its potential nuclear arsenal. WOW, those guys do not care about casualties as long as they are not Jews. The problem is some of the feather-brained Goyim will sowallow such faulty and malecious argument.

The tragedy is that innocent people will die. But not many. Iran's missiles and rockets of mass destruction are guarded and maintained by men with the highest of security clearance and thus supportive of the Tehran regime. They are dedicated to war and, thus, will die in war.

"But not many". WOW, how many is not many...a few hundreds...a few thousands?!!! This guy is our of his freaking mind.

Frankly, it would be churlish of the civilized world to deny martyrdom to those who seem so intent on its pursuance. Most important, a limited nuclear attack on Iran will save thousands if not millions of lives. The spasm of reaction from many will be that this is barbaric and unacceptable. Yet a better response would be to ask if there is any sensible alternative.

“Frankly, it would be churlish of the civilized world to deny martyrdom to those who seem so intent on its pursuance.” Look how synical he is! And what millions is he going to save by launching such attack? His satanic Zionist state of Israel? Ya, it always boils down to the survival of such filthy entity. He is also trying to convince us that there are no alternative! Ya, I agree with you. Your criminal Talmudic mind can not and will not see the alternatives.

Diplomacy, kindness and compromise have failed and the Iranian leadership is still obsessed with all-out war against anybody it considers an enemy. Its motives are beyond question, its capability equally so. It is spending billions of dollars on a whole range of anti-ship, anti-aircraft and anti-personnel missiles, rockets and ballistic weapons: The Shahab 3ER missile, with a range of more than 2,000 km, and the BM25 and accompanying launchers, which are so powerful that they can hit targets in Europe. Raad missiles with a range of 350km. The Misaq anti-aircraft missile, which can be fired from the shoulder. The Fajar 3 radar-evading missile and the Ajdar underwater missile, which travels at an extraordinarily high speed and is almost impossible to intercept. The Zaltal and the Fatah 110 rocket, the Scud B and Scud C and the BM25 with a range of 3,500 kms.

Israel Negev Nuclear Plant

Oh, he is scared of the Iranian arsinal, but ignoring the fact that Israel has even bettr one. They had nuclear capability for decades. Doesn't this fact entitle Iran to have the same right? And talking about intention, while we are at it, have you heard about the Zionists dream of a bigger Israel?

Diplomacy, kindness and compromise have failed because Iran is detrmind not to relinquish its right to have nuclear capability. Why should Israel be the only country in the whole Middle East that has such power?!

Iran is also developing enormous propellant ballistic missiles and began a space program almost a decade ago that will enable it to bomb the United States. It is also assumed in intelligence circles that Tehran has Russian Kh55 cruise missiles stolen from Ukraine which are now being copied in large numbers by Iranian scientists.

"That will enable to bomb the United States". Oh, how about the US's capability of reaching any country on our globe! How about North Korea who threatend to set the US on fire in case of any American attack. The Cowards can't do anything about it!

Comparisons to the Nazis in the 1930s are unfair -- to the Nazis. Hitler had the French army, the largest in Europe, on his border and millions of Soviet infantry just a few hours march away. Iran has no aggressive enemies in the region.

Now...this guy is really a nut-case. So by deduction, Iran is the one who is aggressive. What about Israel who is a wedge implanted in the back of the Arabe states in the Middle East; great Israel from the Euforate to the Nile. Was this guy born yesterday, or had he studied any kind of hostory? Is he saying the Iranian president is even worse than Hitler who burnt as per their alleged count 6 millions Jews. WOW!

Its fanatical leader, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, controls a brutal police state, finances international terror and provokes bloody wars in foreign countries. It is unimaginably wealthy because of its oil revenues and is committed, in its leader's words, to "rolling back 300 years of Western ascendancy" and wiping another nation, Israel, from the face of the earth.

Talk about apertheid Israel and the crimes it committed against the Palistenians. Gaza offensive is just a stone throw away in the collective human memory. Talk about the MOSAD and its crimes throughout the globe.

A conventional attack would be insufficient because Iran and its allies seem only to listen to power and threat. Better limited pain now than universal suffering in five years.

So all the pain is coming from Iran, not from the international Zionism that is right now destroying the USA and concocing plans against humanity. And why "in five years"? is this the period of time set in the Zionists agenda for the USA collapse due to the Zionist canser that has visited its body for such a long time. So wage a war by proxy before it is too late.

The usual suspects will complain. The post-Christian churches, the Marxists, the fellow travelers and fifth columnists. But then, the same sort of people moaned and condemned in 1938. They were clearly wrong then.

They would be just as wrong now.

Idiot, those whom you refered to were right in 1938 and are right now no matter what you say about them, smart ass.

The Case for Bombing Iran

I hope and pray that President Bush will do it.

By Norman Podhoretz

Wall Street Journal, May 30, 2007

Although many persist in denying it, I continue to believe that what Sept 11, 2001, did was to plunge us headlong into nothing less than another world war. I call this new war World War IV, because I also believe that what is generally known as the Cold War was actually World War III, and that this one bears a closer resemblance to that great conflict than it does to World War II. Like the Cold War, as the military historian Eliot Cohen was the first to recognize, the one we are now in has ideological roots, pitting us against Islamofascism, yet another mutation of the totalitarian disease we defeated first in the shape of Nazism and fascism and then in the shape of communism; it is global in scope; it is being fought with a variety of weapons, not all of them military; and it is likely to go on for decades.

What follows from this way of looking at the last five years is that the military campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq cannot be understood if they are regarded as self-contained wars in their own right. Instead we have to see them as fronts or theaters that have been opened up in the early stages of a protracted global struggle. The same thing is true of Iran. As the currently main center of the Islamofascist ideology against which we have been fighting since 9/11, and as (according to the State Department's latest annual report on the subject) the main sponsor of the terrorism that is Islamofascism's weapon of choice, Iran too is a front in World War IV. Moreover, its effort to build a nuclear arsenal makes it the potentially most dangerous one of all.

This old goat is trying to convince the stupid goyim that 9/11 was carried out by some foreign hand (Muslim terrorists) and the war in Iraq, though it has been proved to have beemn waged under false pretences, and the war in Afghanistan are justified. What a crockpot full of crap.

The Iranians, of course, never cease denying that they intend to build a nuclear arsenal, and yet in the same breath they openly tell us what they intend to do with it. Their first priority, as repeatedly and unequivocally announced by their president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is to "wipe Israel off the map"--a feat that could not be accomplished by conventional weapons alone.

WOW, it always boils down to the survival of Israel! What about the survival and the degnity of the neighbouring countres regarding the fact that Israel has had its nuclear power for decades. But this doesn't matter as long as Israel is the BULLY at the Middle East school.

But Ahmadinejad's ambitions are not confined to the destruction of Israel. He also wishes it dominates the greater Middle East, and thereby to control the oilfields of the region and the flow of oil out of it through the Persian Gulf. If he acquired a nuclear capability, he would not even have to use it in order to put all this within his reach. Intimidation and blackmail by themselves would do the trick.

See, I have just explained this at the begining of this article. This old goat is talking the talks and walking the walks like a whore showing her booties downtown. "dominate the the greater Middle East". Wake up Sunnis, the Shiites are coming to get you. Implanting fear in the heart of people has always been their domain. Zionist bastards!

Nor are Ahmadinejad's ambitions merely regional in scope. He has a larger dream of extending the power and influence of Islam throughout Europe, and this too he hopes to accomplish by playing on the fear that resistance to Iran would lead to a nuclear war. And then, finally, comes the largest dream of all: what Ahmadinejad does not shrink from describing as "a world without America." Demented though he may be, I doubt that Ahmadinejad is so crazy as to imagine that he could wipe America off the map even if he had nuclear weapons. But what he probably does envisage is a diminution of the American will to oppose him: that is, if not a world without America, he will settle, at least in the short run, for a world without much American influence.

See again, as I have explained above. He is playing on the fear of the rise of an Islamic empire which will never happen. And what is he trying to do...geting the USA to do the dirty work for him by scaring the US that the Monster is going to get it, too. Emph, how idioticly transparant he is!

Not surprisingly, the old American foreign-policy establishment and many others say that these dreams are nothing more than the fantasies of a madman. They also dismiss those who think otherwise as neoconservative alarmists trying to drag this country into another senseless war that is in the interest not of the United States but only of Israel. But the irony is that Ahmadinejad's dreams are more realistic than the dismissal of those dreams as merely insane delusions. To understand why, an analogy with World War III may help.

Is this some kind of self-projection, a confession of what Zionism has in mind towards the non-Jewish nations. I think it is.

At certain points in that earlier war, some of us feared that the Soviets might seize control of the oil fields of the Middle East, and that the West, faced with a choice between surrendering to their dominance or trying to stop them at the risk of a nuclear exchange, would choose surrender. In that case, we thought, the result would be what in those days went by the name of Finlandization.

In Europe, where there were large Communist parties, Finlandization would take the form of bringing these parties to power so that they could establish "red Vichy" regimes like the one already in place in Finland--regimes whose subservience to the Soviet will in all things, domestic and foreign alike, would make military occupation unnecessary and would therefore preserve a minimal degree of national independence.

In the United States, where there was no Communist Party to speak of, we speculated that Finlandization would take a subtler form. In the realm of foreign affairs, politicians and pundits would arise to celebrate the arrival of a new era of peace and friendship in which the Cold War policy of containment would be scrapped, thus giving the Soviets complete freedom to expand without encountering any significant obstacles. And in the realm of domestic affairs, Finlandization would mean that the only candidates running for office with a prayer of being elected would be those who promised to work toward a sociopolitical system more in harmony with the Soviet model than the unjust capitalist plutocracy under which we had been living.

Of course, by the grace of God, the dissidents behind the Iron Curtain and Ronald Reagan, we won World War III and were therefore spared the depredations that Finlandization would have brought. Alas, we are far from knowing what the outcome of World War IV will be. But in the meantime, looking at Europe today, we already see the unfolding of a process analogous to Finlandization: it has been called, rightly, Islamization. Consider, for example, what happened when, only a few weeks ago, the Iranians captured 15 British sailors and marines and held them hostage. Did the Royal Navy, which once boasted that it ruled the waves, immediately retaliate against this blatant act of aggression, or even threaten to do so unless the captives were immediately released? Not by any stretch of the imagination. Indeed, using force was the last thing in the world the British contemplated doing, as they made sure to announce. Instead they relied on the "soft power" so beloved of "sophisticated" Europeans and their American fellow travelers.

But then, as if this show of impotence were not humiliating enough, the British were unable even to mobilize any of that soft power. The European Union, of which they are a member, turned down their request to threaten Iran with a freeze of imports. As for the U.N., under whose very auspices they were patrolling the international waters in which the sailors were kidnapped, it once again showed its true colors by refusing even to condemn the Iranians. The most the Security Council could bring itself to do was to express "grave concern." Meanwhile, a member of the British cabinet was going the Security Council one better. While registering no objection to propaganda pictures of the one female hostage, who had been forced to shed her uniform and dress for the cameras in Muslim clothing, Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt pronounced it "deplorable" that she should have permitted herself to be photographed with a cigarette in her mouth. "This," said Hewitt, "sends completely the wrong message to our young people."

Now the Zionist pundit is trying to illuminate us by teaching us a history lesson; his own interpretation of history. What about the part played by Zionism in this history. It is totally ignored, of course. Oh, they are as innocent as the wolf is from the blood of the son of Jaccob.

According to John Bolton, our former ambassador to the U.N., the Iranians were testing the British to see if there would be any price to pay for committing what would once have been considered an act of war. Having received his answer, Ahmadinejad could now reap the additional benefit of, as the British commentator Daniel Johnson puts it, "posing as a benefactor" by releasing the hostages, even while ordering more attacks in Iraq and even while continuing to arm terrorist organizations, whether Shiite (Hezbollah) or Sunni (Hamas). For fanatical Shiites though Ahmadinejad and his ilk assuredly are, they are obviously willing to set sectarian differences aside when it comes to forging jihadist alliances against the infidels.

Lies and more lies. Nevertheless, giving his lies the benifit of doubt...may be the Iranian asked this question to see how the wold would react if Israel or the US attacked Iran. Did not Israel attack Iraq and Syria before for the same reason; suspession of nuclear projects? 

If, then, under present circumstances Ahmadinejad could bring about the extraordinary degree of kowtowing that resulted from the kidnapping of the British sailors, what might he not accomplish with a nuclear arsenal behind him--nuclear bombs that could be fitted on missiles capable of reaching Europe? As to such a capability, Robert G. Joseph, the U.S. Special Envoy for Nuclear Non-Proliferation, tells us that Iran is "expanding what is already the largest offensive missile force in the region. Moreover, it is reported to be working closely with North Korea, the world's No. 1 missile proliferator, to develop even more capable ballistic missiles." This, Joseph goes on, is why "analysts agree that in the foreseeable future Iran will be armed with medium- and long-range ballistic missiles," and it is also why "we could wake up one morning to find that Iran is holding Berlin, Paris or London hostage to whatever its demands are then."

Why Israel's nuclear capability is always ignored in their algebraic formula?

As with Finlandization, Islamization extends to the domestic realm, too. In one recent illustration of this process, as reported in the British press, "schools in England are dropping the Holocaust from history lessons to avoid offending Muslim pupils . . . whose beliefs include Holocaust denial." But this is an equal-opportunity capitulation, since the schools are also eliminating lessons about the Crusades because "such lessons often contradict what is taught in local mosques."

Holocaust again!!! It started to loose the their purpose of constantly reminding the nations with it. It is always mentioned whenever the wind is not going with the satanic state of Israel, or whenever Israel commits an atrocity and wants to divert the attention of the nation by installing the feeling of guilt in their hearts. The same old trick used again and over again.

But why single out England? If anything, much more, and worse, has been going on in other European countries, including France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Denmark and the Netherlands. All of these countries have large and growing Muslim populations demanding that their religious values and sensibilities be accommodated at the expense of the traditional values of the West, and even in some instances of the law. Yet rather than insisting that, like all immigrant groups before them, they assimilate to Western norms, almost all European politicians have been cravenly giving in to the Muslims' outrageous demands.

What is wrong with the Muslim demand for Islamic values to be accomodated. What about the Jewish values being accomodated wherever they are. Not really accomodated but imposed at the point of the gun of threatining, bullying and manipulating; Kosher this, kosher that and the Talmudic rabbis are reaping the yield, but the American citizens are paying the costs. Give me a freaking break, you idiot.

As in the realm of foreign affairs, if this much can be accomplished under present circumstances, what might not be done if the process were being backed by Iranian nuclear blackmail? Already some observers are warning that by the end of the 21st century the whole of Europe will be transformed into a place to which they give the name Eurabia. Whatever chance there may still be of heading off this eventuality would surely be lessened by the menacing shadow of an Iran armed with nuclear weapons, and only too ready to put them into the hands of the terrorist groups to whom it is even now supplying rockets and other explosive devices.

WOW, fear, fear, fear is a mighty weapon to control the nations of earth. What about another possibility which is by the end of the 21st century the whole world will be under the thump of the "One Wolrd Order" which the satanic Jewish and Zionist elites has been cooking over low fire for centuries.

And the United States? As would have been the case with Finlandization, we would experience a milder form of Islamization here at home. But not in the area of foreign policy. Like the Europeans, confronted by Islamofascists armed by Iran with nuclear weapons, we would become more and more hesitant to risk resisting the emergence of a world shaped by their will and tailored to their wishes. For even if Ahmadinejad did not yet have missiles with a long enough range to hit the United States, he would certainly be able to unleash a wave of nuclear terror against us. If he did, he would in all likelihood act through proxies, for whom he would with characteristic brazenness disclaim any responsibility even if the weapons used by the terrorists were to bear telltale markings identifying them as of Iranian origin. At the same time, the opponents of retaliation and other antiwar forces would rush to point out that there was good reason to accept this disclaimer and, markings or no markings (could they not have been forged?), no really solid evidence to refute it.

In any event, in these same centers of opinion, such a scenario is regarded as utter nonsense. In their view, none of the things it envisages would follow even if Ahmadinejad should get the bomb, because the fear of retaliation would deter him from attacking us just as it deterred the Soviets in World War III. For our part, moreover, the knowledge that we were safe from attack would preclude any danger of our falling into anything like Islamization.

But listen to what Bernard Lewis, the greatest authority of our time on the Islamic world, has to say in this context on the subject of deterrence: MAD, mutual assured destruction, [was effective] right through the cold war. Both sides had nuclear weapons. Neither side used them, because both sides knew the other would retaliate in kind. This will not work with a religious fanatic [like Ahmadinejad]. For him, mutual assured destruction is not a deterrent, it is an inducement. We know already that [Iran's leaders] do not give a damn about killing their own people in great numbers. We have seen it again and again. In the final scenario, and this applies all the more strongly if they kill large numbers of their own people, they are doing them a favor. They are giving them a quick free pass to heaven and all its delights.

Martyrdom again. The idiot orientalist never let this subject rest. They think they understand Islam far better than Muslims.

Idiots, not every one killed in a war is a martyr, otherwise a logical contradictory will arise: what about two Muslim armies fighting each other. would victims on both sides be considered martyrs? Or a Muslim army fighting a non-Muslim army for illegitmate reasons. Would the Muslims who died in the battle be myrtrs? Of course not. Islam is a religion of Justice. Is the idiot aware of the fact that there is a whole chaper in the Qura'n named "The Balance" where the text emphasizes the concept of Justice. I guess not because he is busy reading the shit included in his satanic babylonian Talmud.

Nor are they inhibited by a love of country: "We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land [Iran] burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world." These were the words of the Ayatollah Khomeini, who ruled Iran from 1979 to 1989, and there is no reason to suppose that his disciple Ahmadinejad feels any differently.

So all those Jewish patriots who died in battles as reported in the Jewish history and those of the holocaust have died as pagans.

Still less would deterrence work where Israel was concerned. For as the Ayatollah Rafsanjani (who is supposedly a "pragmatic conservative") has declared:If a day comes when the world of Islam is duly equipped with the arms Israel has in possession...application of an atomic bomb would not leave anything in Israel, but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world.

In other words, Israel would be destroyed in a nuclear exchange, but Iran would survive.

That is it. why beating around the bush and wasting our time. Say it upfront. It is Israel's survival that matters, and the hell with the rest of the world. They are nothing but goyim; entities lower than animals and can be sacrificed on the alter of Jewdaism.

In spite of all this, we keep hearing that all would be well if only we agreed--in the currently fashionable lingo--to "engage" with Iran, and that even if the worst came to the worst we could--to revert to the same lingo--"live" with a nuclear Iran. It is when such things are being said that, alongside the resemblance between now and World War III, a parallel also becomes evident between now and the eve of World War II.

Well, the Arabs have been living with nuclear Israel for decades. Isn't what is good for the gander is, by the same token, good for the geez.

By 1938, Germany under Adolf Hitler had for some years been rearming in defiance of its obligations under the Versailles treaty and other international agreements. Yet even though Hitler in :"Mein Kampf" had explicitly spelled out the goals he was now preparing to pursue, scarcely anyone took him seriously. To the imminent victims of the war he was soon to start, Hitler's book and his inflammatory speeches were nothing more than braggadocio or, to use the more colorful word Hannah Arendt once applied to Adolf Eichmann, rodomontade: the kind of red meat any politician might throw to his constituents at home. Hitler might sound at times like a madman, but in reality he was a shrewd operator with whom one could--in the notorious term coined by the London Times--"do business." The business that was done under this assumption was the Munich Agreement of 1938, which the British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain declared had brought "peace in our time."

Stop reminding us with Hitler, and remember the Zionist role played at the time for collapsing his economy. It seems that you have a selective memory.

It was thanks to Munich that "appeasement" became one of the dirtiest words in the whole of our political vocabulary. Yet appeasement had always been an important and entirely respectable tool of diplomacy, signifying the avoidance of war through the alleviation of the other side's grievances. If Hitler had been what his eventual victims imagined he was--that is, a conventional statesman pursuing limited aims and using the threat of war only as a way of strengthening his bargaining position--it would indeed have been possible to appease him and thereby to head off the outbreak of another war.

But Hitler was not a conventional statesman and, although for tactical reasons he would sometimes pretend otherwise, he did not have limited aims. He was a revolutionary seeking to overturn the going international system and to replace it with a new order dominated by Germany, which also meant the political culture of Nazism. As such, he offered only two choices: resistance or submission. Finding this reality unbearable, the world persuaded itself that there was a way out, a third alternative, in negotiations. But given Hitler's objectives, and his barely concealed lust for war, negotiating with him could not conceivably have led to peace. It could have had only one outcome, which was to buy him more time to start a war under more favorable conditions. As most historians now agree, if he had been taken at his own word about his true intentions, he could have been stopped earlier and defeated at an infinitely lower cost.

Which brings us back to Ahmadinejad. Like Hitler, he is a revolutionary whose objective is to overturn the going international system and to replace it in the fullness of time with a new order dominated by Iran and ruled by the religio-political culture of Islamofascism. Like Hitler, too, he is entirely open about his intentions, although--again like Hitler--he sometimes pretends that he wants nothing more than his country's just due. In the case of Hitler in 1938, this pretense took the form of claiming that no further demands would be made if sovereignty over the Sudetenland were transferred from Czechoslovakia to Germany. In the case of Ahmadinejad, the pretense takes the form of claiming that Iran is building nuclear facilities only for peaceful purposes and not for the production of bombs.

HE KEEPS COMPARING THE IRANIAN PRESIDENT TO HITLER!!! A new order dominated by Iran! Oh, now I understand what all hubla is about. You are scared of a compition that will spoil your Zionist plans for taking the whole gyim over.

But here we come upon an interesting difference between then and now. Whereas in the late 1930s almost everyone believed, or talked himself into believing, that Hitler was telling the truth when he said he had no further demands to make after Munich, no one believes that Ahmadinejad is telling the truth when he says that Iran has no wish to develop a nuclear arsenal. In addition, virtually everyone agrees that it would be best if he were stopped, only not, God forbid, with military force--not now, and not ever.

Same as Israel did, Iran has the right to become a nuclear power if they want. the idiot keeps ignoring this simple logic. Oooh, I guess the Iranian, with all the history backing them as sophosticated nation, are barbaric.

But if military force is ruled out, what is supposed to do the job? Well, to begin with, there is that good old standby, diplomacy. And so, for 3 1/2 years, even predating the accession of Ahmadinejad to the presidency, the diplomatic gavotte has been danced with Iran, in negotiations whose carrot-and-stick details no one can remember--not even, I suspect, the parties involved. But since, to say it again, Ahmadinejad is a revolutionary with unlimited aims and not a statesman with whom we can "do business," all this negotiating has had the same result as Munich had with Hitler. That is, it has bought the Iranians more time in which they have moved closer and closer to developing nuclear weapons.

Then there are sanctions. As it happens, sanctions have very rarely worked in the past. Worse yet, they have usually ended up hurting the hapless people of the targeted country while leaving the leadership unscathed. Nevertheless, much hope has been invested in them as a way of bringing Ahmadinejad to heel. Yet thanks to the resistance of Russia and China, both of which have reasons of their own to go easy on Iran, it has proved enormously difficult for the Security Council to impose sanctions that could even conceivably be effective. At first, the only measures to which Russia and China would agree were much too limited even to bite. Then, as Iran continued to defy Security Council resolutions and to block inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency that it was bound by treaty to permit, not even the Russians and the Chinese were able to hold out against stronger sanctions. Once more, however, these have had little or no effect on the progress Iran is making toward the development of a nuclear arsenal. On the contrary: they, too, have bought the Iranians additional time in which to move ahead.

Since hope springs eternal, some now believe that the answer lies in more punishing sanctions. This time, however, their purpose would be not to force Iran into compliance, but to provoke an internal uprising against Ahmadinejad and the regime as a whole. Those who advocate this course tell us that the "mullocracy" is very unpopular, especially with young people, who make up a majority of Iran's population. They tell us that these young people would like nothing better than to get rid of the oppressive and repressive and corrupt regime under which they now live and to replace it with a democratic system. And they tell us, finally, that if Iran were so transformed, we would have nothing to fear from it even if it were to acquire nuclear weapons.

Once upon a time, under the influence of Bernard Lewis and others I respect, I too subscribed to this school of thought. But after three years and more of waiting for the insurrection they assured us back then was on the verge of erupting, I have lost confidence in their prediction. Some of them blame the Bush administration for not doing enough to encourage an uprising, which is why they have now transferred their hopes to sanctions that would inflict so much damage on the Iranian economy that the entire populace would rise up against the rulers. Yet whether or not this might happen under such circumstances, there is simply no chance of getting Russia and China, or the Europeans for that matter, to agree to the kind of sanctions that are the necessary precondition.

At the outset I stipulated that the weapons with which we are fighting World War IV are not all military--that they also include economic, diplomatic, and other nonmilitary instruments of power. In exerting pressure for reform on countries like Egypt and Saudi Arabia, these nonmilitary instruments are the right ones to use. But it should be clear by now to any observer not in denial that Iran is not such a country. As we know from Iran's defiance of the Security Council and the IAEA even while the United States has been warning Ahmadinejad that "all options" remain on the table, ultimatums and threats of force can no more stop him than negotiations and sanctions have managed to do. Like them, all they accomplish is to buy him more time.

In short, the plain and brutal truth is that if Iran is to be prevented from developing a nuclear arsenal, there is no alternative to the actual use of military force--any more than there was an alternative to force if Hitler was to be stopped in 1938.

Since a ground invasion of Iran must be ruled out for many different reasons, the job would have to be done, if it is to be done at all, by a campaign of air strikes. Furthermore, because Iran's nuclear facilities are dispersed, and because some of them are underground, many sorties and bunker-busting munitions would be required. And because such a campaign is beyond the capabilities of Israel, and the will, let alone the courage, of any of our other allies, it could be carried out only by the United States. Even then, we would probably be unable to get at all the underground facilities, which means that, if Iran were still intent on going nuclear, it would not have to start over again from scratch. But a bombing campaign would without question set back its nuclear program for years to come, and might even lead to the overthrow of the mullahs.

The opponents of bombing--not just the usual suspects but many both here and in Israel who have no illusions about the nature and intentions and potential capabilities of the Iranian regime--disagree that it might end in the overthrow of the mullocracy. On the contrary, they are certain that all Iranians, even the democratic dissidents, would be impelled to rally around the flag. And this is only one of the worst-case scenarios they envisage. To wit: Iran would retaliate by increasing the trouble it is already making for us in Iraq. It would attack Israel with missiles armed with nonnuclear warheads but possibly containing biological or chemical weapons. There would be a vast increase in the price of oil, with catastrophic consequences for every economy in the world, very much including our own. The worldwide outcry against the inevitable civilian casualties would make the anti-Americanism of today look like a lovefest.

I readily admit that it would be foolish to discount any or all of these scenarios. Each of them is, alas, only too plausible. Nevertheless, there is a good response to them, and it is the one given by John McCain. The only thing worse than bombing Iran, McCain has declared, is allowing Iran to get the bomb.

And yet those of us who agree with McCain are left with the question of whether there is still time. If we believe the Iranians, the answer is no. In early April, at Iran's Nuclear Day festivities, Ahmadinejad announced that the point of no return in the nuclearization process had been reached. If this is true, it means that Iran is only a small step away from producing nuclear weapons. But even supposing that Ahmadinejad is bluffing, in order to convince the world that it is already too late to stop him, how long will it take before he actually turns out to have a winning hand?

If we believe the CIA, perhaps as much as 10 years. But CIA estimates have so often been wrong that they are hardly more credible than the boasts of Ahmadinejad. Other estimates by other experts fall within the range of a few months to six years. Which is to say that no one really knows. And because no one really knows, the only prudent--indeed, the only responsible--course is to assume that Ahmadinejad may not be bluffing, or may only be exaggerating a bit, and to strike at him as soon as it is logistically possible.

In his 2002 State of the Union address, President Bush made a promise: We'll be deliberate, yet time is not on our side. I will not wait on events, while dangers gather. I will not stand by, as peril draws closer and closer. The United States of America will not permit the world's most dangerous regimes to threaten us with the world's most destructive weapons.

In that speech, the president was referring to Iraq, but he has made it clear on a number of subsequent occasions that the same principle applies to Iran. Indeed, he has gone so far as to say that if we permit Iran to build a nuclear arsenal, people 50 years from now will look back and wonder how we of this generation could have allowed such a thing to happen, and they will rightly judge us as harshly as we today judge the British and the French for what they did and what they failed to do at Munich in 1938. I find it hard to understand why George W. Bush would have put himself so squarely in the dock of history on this issue if he were resigned to leaving office with Iran in possession of nuclear weapons, or with the ability to build them. Accordingly, my guess is that he intends, within the next 21 months, to order air strikes against the Iranian nuclear facilities from the three U.S. aircraft carriers already sitting nearby.

But if that is what he has in mind, why is he spending all this time doing the diplomatic dance and wasting so much energy on getting the Russians and the Chinese to sign on to sanctions? The reason, I suspect, is that--to borrow a phrase from Robert Kagan--he has been "giving futility its chance." Not that this is necessarily a cynical ploy. For it may well be that he has entertained the remote possibility of a diplomatic solution under which Iran would follow the example of Libya in voluntarily giving up its nuclear program. Besides, once having played out the diplomatic string, and thereby having demonstrated that to him force is truly a last resort, Mr. Bush would be in a stronger political position to endorse John McCain's formula that the only thing worse than bombing Iran would be allowing Iran to build a nuclear bomb--and not just to endorse that assessment, but to act on it.

If this is what Mr. Bush intends to do, it goes, or should go, without saying that his overriding purpose is to ensure the security of this country in accordance with the vow he took upon becoming president, and in line with his pledge not to stand by while one of the world's most dangerous regimes threatens us with one of the world's most dangerous weapons.

But there is, it has been reported, another consideration that is driving Mr. Bush. According to a recent news story in the New York Times, for example, Bush has taken to heart what "officials from 21 governments in and around the Middle East warned at a meeting of Arab leaders in March"--namely, "that Iran's drive for atomic technology could result in the beginning of 'a grave and destructive nuclear arms race in the region.' " Which is to say that he fears that local resistance to Iran's bid for hegemony in the greater Middle East through the acquisition of nuclear weapons could have even more dangerous consequences than a passive capitulation to that bid by the Arab countries. For resistance would spell the doom of all efforts to stop the spread of nuclear weapons, and it would vastly increase the chances of their use.

I have no doubt that this ominous prospect figures prominently in the president's calculations. But it seems evident to me that the survival of Israel, a country to which George W. Bush has been friendlier than any president before him, is also of major concern to him--a concern fully coincident with his worries over a Middle Eastern arms race.

Much of the world has greeted Ahmadinejad's promise to wipe Israel off the map with something close to insouciance. In fact, it could almost be said of the Europeans that they have been more upset by Ahmadinejad's denial that a Holocaust took place 60 years ago than by his determination to set off one of his own as soon as he acquires the means to do so. In some of European countries, Holocaust denial is a crime, and the European Union only recently endorsed that position. Yet for all their retrospective remorse over the wholesale slaughter of Jews back then, the Europeans seem no readier to lift a finger to prevent a second Holocaust than they were the first time around.

Not so George W. Bush, a man who knows evil when he sees it and who has demonstrated an unfailingly courageous willingness to endure vilification and contumely in setting his face against it. It now remains to be seen whether this president, battered more mercilessly and with less justification than any other in living memory, and weakened politically by the enemies of his policy in the Middle East in general and Iraq in particular, will find it possible to take the only action that can stop Iran from following through on its evil intentions both toward us and toward Israel. As an American and as a Jew, I pray with all my heart that he will.

Too much shit to comment on...

From all the above two articles written by these two idiots, and from the faulty arguments they laid above, which by the way failed to lay any eggs in my basket, one can easily come to the conclusion that the Jews are:

1. Criminal-minded and blood-sucking

 draconian people

2. Deceitful and hypocrtae, creepy crollers and reptalin-oriented

3. History forgerer and liers

4. A malignant cnacer one should be aware of

5. Cowards with a hidden agenda which they it to reach fuition by the hook or the crook

6. Luciferian in their actions

7. Can not be trusted

Followers of lucifer